Should Compound Retroactively Airdrop Tokens to Early Users?

Will also be voting no to this proposal. Like many have mentioned, many alternative more productive ways to utilize reserve funds.

What you’d be creating is a possible divide between users going forward.

@getty @arr00 @allthecolors @CryptoCraig

Maintaining comp distribution to the existing small group of comp holders creates financial and regulatory risk outlined in the SEC’s token safe harbor proposal.

If we don’t make a real and quantitative effort to decentralize governance we pose the risk of COMP being defined as a security and the protocol could become legally susceptible to laws under the security exchange act.

Noting specific concerns to how network maturity is defined, quantitative measures and related persons.

https://www.sec.gov/news/public-statement/peirce-statement-token-safe-harbor-proposal-2.0#_ftn2

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Another day in crypto. Dydx protocol released the airdrop and I must say the model is elegant. Dydx is also from the old day, an old giant.

Than I really thinking again, why in earth is comp discussing an airdrop for almost a year. Yeah I know we lunched first the token and than do an airdrop. But I am tired to read everything. So can we conclude and move on?

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Been following the thread since a while and at this point am tired to check for an update . Hope there will be a final decision made soon to end the speculation. Just say yes or no and when if yes. Thanks for all the contributions.

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Governance in Compound is largely decentralized, hence the longer conversation. dYdX was not a DAO or foundation until just now, so the decision to airdrop required no building of community consensus. Interestingly, dYdX also chose not to recognize its earliest (V1) users at launch.

I would encourage everyone engaged in this discussion to also review the recent conversation on the future of COMP rewards and chime in about which ideas there they support, whether or not that includes an early user distribution. If you think this is a good idea, there is an opportunity right now to make your case on that thread.

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I have some more thoughts on the distribution proportions, and while i still have a very little confidence that that would pass governance at all, but if we talk about formula, that my suggestion would be something like that:

Users, who earned 0 : 0 COMP (not a user, so no distribution)

Users, who earned between 0.01$ and <1$ : COMP = MAX ( (Interest earned),0.25)

Users, who earned >=1$ : COMP = 1 + MIN ( SQRT(Interest earned), A)

Where A is up to discussion, i’d suggest something like 10, because at the core it isn’t a capital distribution, but rather a community one, and capital here is just a measure of weighting participation. That would require much less COMP to spend, give noticeble rewards for majority of early users, but nothing ridiculous.

COMP which were initially suggested for that distribution, but not needed i suggest to spread via different community initiatives.

The question on opportunity cost of distributing comp to early users vs using it for other incentives in concerning. If you are using comp as an incentive for other activities it calls into question if COMP really intended to be a governance token. It implies that you are using the perceived value of comp to fund activities rather than using it to actually govern the protocol. How would regulators would view conversations surrounding this issue if it were ever brought to court?

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Unless I’m mistaken, Compound didn’t promise any rewards for early users, so in my opinion, there should be no airdrop. Early users chose to use Compound exactly as is and for whatever reason; they found the idea intriguing, they wanted to borrow, they wanted to make money using the protocol, etc. Maybe they helped the protocol and were valuable community members, but they chose to do so without a promise of compensation.

Now, early users may not have received compensation for the early days, but that’s not to say they haven’t benefited from being an early user. Being able to shape the protocol and community, knowing about Compound before many newcomers (I’m one of them) - being able to purchase and accrue COMP at better rates, learning from the project, making friends, having a chill time, etc.

Furthermore, there are still many opportunities to earn COMP (the grants program is more than generous!) and also to buy the token before DeFi goes mainstream.

If this goes to a vote, for these reasons, I will vote no to the airdrop.

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The thing is it REALLY doesn’t matter how you and all users (early or not) together combined will vote. What do you think it’s democracy or something like that? All combined voting power distributed to users for all the time is about 1 mil COMP tokens. Founders, team and early investors control 4+ Million of COMP voting power. It can be discussed as much as everybody want, but the only people who can make decision about any sort of airdrop or distribution aren’t users.

Everybody is welcomed to tell their opinion and advocate for it as much as they want, but when it comes to decision making, that’s irrelevant. There is just not enough voting weight for it to matter.

But don’t worry, anything which is dragged and dragged over year, unlikely ever bear fruits. We will probably will see second annivesary of that topic without any result. :slight_smile:

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I think I understand where you’re coming from @oniru, but I also think your argument would actually land more squarely against uses like the grants program than against a retroactive distribution. There is no question in my mind that the grants program uses “the perceived value of COMP to fund activities” other than “using it to actually govern the protocol”. Yet:

  • The grants program’s launch included funding for legal counsel to review regulatory questions associated with the program, and since it has moved forward, presumably no fatal issues were identified
  • there seems to be broad agreement in the discussion on the future of COMP distribution that the grants program is a good use of funds.

An early user distribution would, by definition, empower early users with a stake in governance corresponding to their early-user time and capital, so unless I’m missing something, I don’t think this is a convincing argument against a retroactive distribution.

@TylerEther’s case is understandable to me and one I think we can agree to disagree on. I agree fully that early users are not owed anything from the protocol. At the same time, I think that COMP’s distribution model to date has nearly guaranteed that ordinary users will never have a meaningful say in Compound governance, and to me it’s a bit surprising how unconcerned most folks seem to be about this (I can hear @Sirokko making fun of my naivety here :smiley:). So @oniru 's concerns resonate with me, albeit with us arriving at different conclusions.

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I dont understand this protocol sometimes. last time i checked comp was a governance token. The best way to decentralize the governance is getting it more into the hands of the people. Which group of people would be best receive it? The early users who helped shape the protocol.

If the whales are gonna just call all the shots why even launch a token. why even try to be decentralized. Should just go back to the team managing this whole thing then.

Of course comp didnt promise any awards. But when you talk about you want more community engagement theres no better way to do it other than giving your day 1 supporters a voice. even if its a small voice at least its there. Wasn’t that the whole point of the token?

Compound (COMP) is an ERC-20 asset that empowers community governance of the Compound protocol; COMP token-holders and their delegates debate, propose, and vote on all changes to the protocol.

By placing COMP directly into the hands of users and applications, an increasingly large ecosystem will be able to upgrade the protocol, and will be incentivized to collectively steward the protocol into the future with good governance.

Every other protocol doesn’t have a problem recognizing the community. Go look at dydx new token for example. direct quote from the blog

The success of the dYdX Layer 2 protocol is the result of thousands of community members who have been trading on the dYdX Layer 2 protocol and its predecessors over the past three years.

Uniswap

Uniswap owes its success to the thousands of community members that have joined its journey over the past two years. These early community members will naturally serve as responsible stewards of Uniswap.

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Comp grants were not available in the early days but those that are getting them now are benefiting greatly as is the protocol. Yet limited to those with code development skills.Those that wrote the initial code got paid in comp.

Decentralized governance is required in order to keep this protocol alive otherwise the SEC will come knocking soon. Creating further comp centralization protocols and making decentralized governance proposals harder to submit will not help.

Bottom line you don’t want or currently need to truly decentralized governance, as you would not benefit from a decentralized governance.

Treasury is the driver here. Big business taking over the defi sector. Sad day

Comp going down the path of DINO (decentralized in name only).

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I agree with everyone that more COMP should be distributed to users, but I don’t think an airdrop is the best way of going about it.

Is an airdrop an effective way of promoting governance through the users? How do we know users still have the private keys of those addresses? What about the contract addresses? What about contracts that would be unable to use airdropped tokens? How do we know recipients will actively participate in governance? How do we know recipients won’t just sell the COMP as soon as they get it? What about the recipients who don’t have the time, energy, or money to pay for gas to be [educated] voters or to delegate their votes to delegates they support? Do recipients even want the responsibility of governing?

We need to know the answers to those questions (or at least a reasonable estimate) if we want to be effective at further decentralizing the protocol and give more power to users. If ineffective, the result will be that Compound will have less COMP to distribute to users and to grow the protocol and everything stays approximately the same as if no airdrop were performed.

I’m very skeptical that an airdrop will accomplish what everyone is seeking here. I really don’t want to see this drag out for who knows how long to end up not being effective at accomplishing the goal of further decentralizing the protocol. Hence why I support building for our future rather than focusing on our past.

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Is an airdrop an effective way of promoting governance through the users? How do we know users still have the private keys of those addresses?

  • my thought is that the COMP distribution should be claimable function by wallet not a unilateral airdrop.

What about the contract addresses? What about contracts that would be unable to use airdropped tokens? How do we know recipients will actively participate in governance? How do we know recipients won’t just sell the COMP as soon as they get it?

Making the COMP distribution a weighted time schedule based distribution with those actively claiming/vesting the allocated comp but willing to prolong comp withdraw, in my opinion does two things puts more COMP into the hands that actively participate and allows the protocol to reclaim unclaimed COMP.

What about the recipients who don’t have the time, energy, or money to pay for gas to be [educated] voters or to delegate their votes to delegates they support? Do recipients even want the responsibility of governing?

Comp voter pools I think are key to enabling voter participation and/or voter delegation.

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You won’t ever know this unless they KYC or make themselves known. People in crypto love to be anon

Have users claim it and if not it gets returned to the vault within a specific amount of time

then just don’t send to known contract addresses would be my guess. I think we had some wallet makers in the chat earlier saying it will be possible for their users to receive the drop.

ummmmmmmmmmm vest it?

then like I said earlier. have users who do claim it and participate. Vest it for a period of time but still give them voting rights.

Is it even going to users? 30% of it is going to yearn and getting dumped. That comp could go into the hands of users who want to participate.

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Isn’t a16z a big investor in comp? even they believe rewarding early users is the right thing to do in any project.

Finally, we believe that token distribution models that reward bonafide early users and contributors are likely to create more engaged communities, and therefore more sustainable protocols. These are the types of users and developers who add value before a protocol achieves real network effects, or even has much inherent utility. Examples include the early users and liquidity providers on Uniswap and the early developers who built applications on top of Compound. We believe that these are the types of users who are likely to be the best long-term stewards of the protocol. While any token distribution model must take into account regulatory considerations, we generally believe that efforts to reward these types of early adopters are likely to position a protocol for long-term success, and we look to support them wherever possible.

On Crypto Governance - Andreessen Horowitz (a16z.com)

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Feels like we are going 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
Pick a date same amount for all who interacted with the protocol(based on Should Compound Retroactively Airdrop Tokens to Early Users? - #232 by allthecolors)

We are coming up on 1 year with this back and forth, and too many chefs involved.

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Too many people have too many opinions…
final makeing nothing
I dont know why who open the topic never reply and support it

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